Open Thread

Will Russia really begin to pull out of Georgia tomorrow?

Will we really win 60 Senate seats, and might 59 might actually make it easier to control our caucus?

Are you tired of the summer? Do you miss new episodes of A Prairie Home Companion and The Office?

Discuss.



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I would really like someone to ask more about the "cross in the dirt" story of McCains brought up by some people at Kos and posted here by Tarheel. That seems very plausible to me and extremely offensive if true.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 10:02:02 PM EST

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I wrote on another thread, I'm actually inclined to believe McCain. I'm going on memory hear, but I recall something about the first Christians drawing fishes in the dirt during casual conversation; if the other person replied with a fish, they'd know they were safe, and if not, then don't mention your religion, it's a Roman. The Bible itself has Jesus drawing in the dirt to distract the  Pharisees while the woman they were trying to harass got dressed in the "he who has not sinned cast the first stone" story. So, drawing religious symbols in the dirt goes back a long way, and a cross is one of the most common Christian symbols. I'll give Big Mac the benefit of the doubt here.


The Wayward Episcopalian
by Transplanted Texan on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 10:12:27 PM EST
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In a 2007 ad, McCain said that the cross was drawn with a stick. Now it's a shoe. Not only that, but the guard he claims to have done it was at a completely different prison camp from the one he was sent to that December.

He never saw fit to mention it in a HUGE, HUGE account of his ordeal in 1973 or at a prayer breakfast he recounted from 1974 for Governor Reagan, but it became something he recounted in casual conversation and multiple times over in 1999?


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 10:21:46 PM EST
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I'm not saying there aren't questions to be asked, just that I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. But I invite you to post this reply on the diary of this comment I just made as well, both here and at DK.


The Wayward Episcopalian
by Transplanted Texan on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 10:23:15 PM EST
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NM, I deleted the diary.


The Wayward Episcopalian
by Transplanted Texan on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 10:37:08 PM EST
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McCain is relying on the fact that nobody will question his experiences, of course. He could claim that he personally performed surgery on one of his fellow inmates and wouldn't even hear a peep about it.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 10:23:41 PM EST
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If I recall right, one person would draw a curved line and the second one would do the same over it making an opened tailed fish like like the ones you see on car bumpers.


Because I wont trade humanity for patriotism!
by Drewid on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 01:21:46 AM EST
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Yes, that's right! An important detail I had forgotten. Thank you! And isn't it a moving story?


The Wayward Episcopalian
by Transplanted Texan on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 10:06:10 AM EST
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New PPP Poll of Ohio ,

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/P PP_Release_Ohio_818.pdf

Mccain has pulled even.

The day Obama doesn't pick Clinton as VP is the day   the battle becomes even harder .

Those who think the election is not a 50 - 50 thing and still think Obama is expanding the map and is the favorite should think again.

If Rob Portman is picked like I have predicted then we are in a lot of trouble in ohio


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 10:05:24 PM EST

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It's getting close to fork-sticking time.
Really it is.  Fladem at Open left has McCain winning 278-260, 2000 redux.

And here's another problem for Obama in that Ohio
poll:  McCain is getting 18% of the black vote.
Not good.


by esconded on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 10:12:29 PM EST
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He's not going to get 18% of the black vote... no way!


It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)
by LordMike on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 10:20:02 PM EST
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I don't think pre-convention polls even know what a fork is, much less own one to stick things with. Case in point, Carter, Dukakis...


The Wayward Episcopalian
by Transplanted Texan on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 10:22:05 PM EST
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Still not there yet lori (none / 0)

I'm waiting on Rasmussen for Ohio; Obama has to have made some ground from his ten-point deficit because he's still leading McCain nationally while his leads in some blue states hve fallen.  Obama has to have gained ground in some states; I'm guessing Ohio and I'll even make a prediction that Obama will be within three of McCain in Ohio for Rasmussen.

I'm waiting for the next Mason-Dixon poll for Nevada (if it shows Obama ahead by let's say three, then we can add Nevada to the pure toss-up category which will improve Obama's odds).

Of course, Quinnipiac will probably release numbers on Ohio and Colorado on Tuesday; if McCain is still leading in Colorado and has overcome Obama in Ohio, then I'll grant that this race is a toss-up (I'm almost scared to look at the next Michigan poll from Quinnipiac given this Kirkpatrick nonsense).


by Blazers Edge on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 10:49:43 PM EST
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Re: Still not there yet lori (none / 0)

I think these next round of state polls will be bad for Obama, I expect McCain to be ahead in nearly all metrics by the start of the Democratic Convention.

Q-poll predictions for the seven states:
OH:  McCain up 4
PA:  Obama up 4
FL:  McCain up 4
MN:  Obama up 6
WI:  Obama up 8
MI:  Tied
CO:  McCain up 2

Not the best news for Obama.


by esconded on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 11:43:59 PM EST
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Wouldn't McCain have at least one lead (2.00 / 1)

in a national poll if those numbers came out?  I predict that Obama takes a two-three point lead in tomorrow's gallup poll because McCain's polling day from Thursday is gone from tomorrow's sample.  McCain has led in a tracking poll, by one point, two times in the last three months.  He has only led in one other non-tracking national poll.

My predictions are a little bit more optimistic than yours.  I just feel that some poll would show McCain up by five points, or at least having some lead, right now if he was actually leading in Ohio by four points given that Kerry lost Ohio by two and the popular vote by three.


by Blazers Edge on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 11:52:50 PM EST
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What if the unthinkable happens (none / 0)

and HRC accepts Obama's offer of the VP spot, how do you think McCain's people would react?  I think the "stunned" factor would engulf any news coverage for about a week; you think he would still go with Portman?  I think you are off on this one by the way; Cantor may be a better bet as McCain probably thinks he can take Obama one-on-one in Ohio while he may need some help in Virginia given Obama's special appeal among the upper-income folks in Northern Va.  You and I are in the same boat though, McCain is going with a young-gun; he may have went with Thune if he weren't a lobbyist in his previous career.


by Blazers Edge on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 10:54:56 PM EST
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If Obama goes with Clinton, we will all be stunned. I think he'd get a big boost, and then McCain would go for a true blue conservative pick.  

Otherwise,McCain might have Meg Whitman in mind.


by Jerome Armstrong on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 11:17:44 PM EST
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Halperin posted on thepage (none / 0)

Saturday morning at around 1 A.M. EST "Could it be her?" with Hillary's Wikipedia picture in the Ace of Spades.  He labeled the story "developing."

I went to sleep and got up six hours later and checked to see that the story was off by the time I got up.  You think Halperin was just drunk or stoned that morning or simply trying to stir up some shit?  Or did he hear something from Chicago because it seems weird to post something that "provocative" at 1 in the morning.  And why did he take down his post?  Perhaps because the source didn't check out or he wants to save the scoop for a weekday where such talk will get more coverage.  


by Blazers Edge on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 11:36:44 PM EST
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The VP will be anybody but Clinton.

We are both Clinton fans , but it is just not going to happen.

He ran against her , thats what the whole new politics thing is for and I bet he thinks it would undermine everything he is about if he picks her .

Plus his allies in the msm would have a fit.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 11:47:36 PM EST
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Lori, there's some chatter going on... (none / 0)

Biden seems to be auditioning for Secretary of State in a battle with Nunn.  Bayh is out of it allegedly because the "movement" really pushed back hard.  It almost doesn't matter at this point what Obama said in the primaries.

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archive s/2008/08/latest_on_the_d/


by Blazers Edge on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 12:00:22 AM EST
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Re: Lori, there's some chatter going on... (none / 0)

I want Nunn for SecDef; have ever since he changed his tune on gays.


The Wayward Episcopalian
by Transplanted Texan on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 12:04:22 AM EST
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Re: Halperin posted on thepage (none / 0)

That's a funny catch.


by Jerome Armstrong on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 01:53:11 AM EST
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Re: What if the unthinkable happens (none / 0)

If Obama picks Clinton , it would throw the Mccain camp into a bit of disarray because an integral part of their campaign includes Clinton not being on the ticket .

PPP was lagging behind in Ohio , their last poll had Mccain down by 8 , he is tied now thats not a good trend.

I won't be shocked if Mccain is up in ohio in the next round of Quinnipiac polls.

I get the sense that the next round of battleground states from quinnipiac would be good for Mccain.

By the end of next week I bet you would agree with me its a 50/50 election.

The sooner it starts getting into the msm the better , I don' think they are doing Obama any favors by saying its his election to lose , that simply isn't the case and this is a case in which the coverage of Obama since the primary is becoming counterproductive , most Americans would tend to view any criticism of the Mccain camp with a healthy dose of skepticism because of credibility issues.

Watch Dayton , OH on Aug 29 for Mccain's vp pick.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 11:20:13 PM EST
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You don't think Schmidt, Davis, (none / 0)

and Black prepared for the HRC as veep contingency at all?  I think it's a great ticket and I'd give it a 75% chance of winning.  However, I'm not following your argument that an "integral part" of McCain's campaign was that Obama not ask HRC to join him on the ticket.  

Obama was always on his own in Colorado and Virginia and all these other states (North Carolina, Montana, Georgia) he claimed he could bring into the fold as HRC provides no help in these states.  Are you thinking that HRC turns up the heat to 110 degrees on McCain in OH, MO, and FL?  By the way, it's sad that we surrendered the eleven electoral college votes in Arkansas and West Virginia so early; even with HRC on the ticket the best we could probably hope for in those two states at this point is to lose by five points.


by Blazers Edge on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 11:31:33 PM EST
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The election would be decided in OH and CO .

Hillary Clinton on the ticket could have potentially brought Florida into the democratic column ( if she was the nominee I have no doubt Crist would be at the top of list for VP , because Florida would be a battleground , Mccain isn't even spending there ).

Ohio is the most important state this year as far as i am concerned , If Obama wins Ohio there is no path to victory for Mccain and the same folks the Mccain camp are relying to win are the same voters Clinton became a matyr for ( Small town / Rural voters/Reagan democrats ) , if Clinton is on the ticket she might be able to cut the defection rate because she is well liked in Ohio especially among these downscale voters especially in southern ohio.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 11:43:53 PM EST
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Re: You don't think Schmidt, Davis, (none / 0)

Not VA?


The Wayward Episcopalian
by Transplanted Texan on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 11:46:02 PM EST
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The margins coming out of Northern VA are not as strong as it should be and Mccain hasn't showed up  in months . It would be tough to beat Mccain in that state with those type of numbers .

VA and IN look like states that would be heart breakers on election night in my view .

I do know if the Obama campaign is putting as much effort in Ohio like they are in VA/CO.

I guess the idea is to substitute VA/CO for OHIO.

Demographically it does make sense but I have know idea why Clinton is not a no brainer to give him a better chance in ohio.    


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 11:56:30 PM EST
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Re: You don't think Schmidt, Davis, (none / 0)

* don't Know *


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 11:58:37 PM EST
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No and no...  but, either or both would be nice!!!


It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)
by LordMike on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 10:05:50 PM EST

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Kaine looks sorta like 'the joker' here:




But still, he seems the best pick for Obama (or Sebelius... or really, Clinton), than the others that folks are betting on:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/08/d emocratic-vp-buyers-guide.html

Biden?  I. Don't. Get. It.


by Jerome Armstrong on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 10:24:28 PM EST

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Ironic that you'd use a thread I of all people posted to say you don't get the Biden pick. :P


The Wayward Episcopalian
by Transplanted Texan on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 10:29:18 PM EST
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haha, yea, I didn't even look to see who'd authored the post. It's not a comment against Biden. I think he'd have been a strong presidential candidate. I just don't see the contrast with Obama and him working. It seems like a Dukakis/Bentson redux.


by Jerome Armstrong on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 10:43:46 PM EST
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The Wayward Episcopalian
by Transplanted Texan on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 10:29:21 PM EST

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     So, to recap, of the 14 comments here, six were posted by Transplanted Texan, the author of the thread. Who needs sock puppets when you can post 43% of the comments?


by Ron Thompson on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 10:47:20 PM EST

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One of those, the blank, was an accidental double click. And besides, I like conversation. Instead of asking me to post less, how about recruiting other folks to post more? How about posting more yourself?

For instance, yes, this one comment does drive up my percentage rate. But I'd say responding to a public criticism is mildly more important than keeping the percentage of comments I made on post down.


The Wayward Episcopalian
by Transplanted Texan on Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 11:34:33 PM EST
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Don't listen. Keep posting.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 12:28:40 AM EST
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Well, maybe they can't make posts on par with a "Ron Thompson", but I think they do a pretty good job to get by anyhow.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 12:28:07 AM EST
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Olympic High Fives (2.00 / 1)

Michael Phelps is now and forever a superstar.

But my favorites so far are Constantina from Rumania, the not-so-young (late 30's) winner of the women's marathon, and Dara Torres, champion swimmer at 41.

And how about those women weightlifters!  The winner lifted over 400 lbs. over her head- like holding a refrigerator over your head!


by susie on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 01:23:57 AM EST

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I do miss new episodes of The Office. 30 Rock, too, since it won't come back till the end of October (augh!!). I suspect if there is bad news, 30 Rock, like Arrested Development in 2004, will be the one thing that will console me.

Interesting note: In early spring of 2007, an episode of 30 Rock had Liz Lemon saying that she would vote for John McCain, but secretly vote for Barack Obama. That might make her one of 3 people in the country who actually called the 2008 nominees.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 02:51:13 AM EST

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Whoops, I mean SAY she was voting for Obama, SECRETLY vote for McCain. Still, though, considering where both candidates were back then (particularly McCain), it's pretty remarkable.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 02:52:35 AM EST
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Aside from doomsday poll opinions and veep speculation Id like say I saw the Obama infomercial again here in Nevada at 1230 tonite. I wrote a short diary about it, I think its preety good.


Because I wont trade humanity for patriotism!
by Drewid on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 04:09:36 AM EST


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