NY'er Editor David Remnick Responds

I think this is interesting: New Yorker Editor David Remnick's thoughts on the cover.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politic s/2008/07/14/tsr.remnick.newyorker.cnn?i ref=videosearch

We're a free society, still, sort of. The NY'er is a very pro-Obama magazine, the NY'er is a very liberal magazine, and breaks anti-Bush stories that no one else does, with Seymour Hirsch...  As a subscriber I'd say: Let's get a grip.

Honestly, I was offended when I first saw it, but then I realized that those who will take it seriously wouldn't vote for Obama anyway--probably half the country. But it does battle those for whom there is a subconscious narrative of the Obamas as dangerous and anti-American. I think this cover will do more good than harm, ultimately.



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I dunno.

I still think that LONG after Pro-Obama people have forgotten about it...it will be hung in a prominent position in the cubicles/offices (bedrooms?) of Anti-Obama people.

I think it was an ill-thought out move....but, ya can't squish the toothpaste back into the tube. What's done is done.


by Kysen on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 12:03:42 AM EST

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it will be hung in a prominent position in the cubicles/offices (bedrooms?) of Anti-Obama people.

sure it will. but do you think those cubicles would have been empty? Not everyone holds Obama in the same reverence as Obama supporters. And many don't trust him. Let's assume that half who don't trust him would vote for him if they did, and half are clueless racists or fear based Bush terror-bots.  This cover is for the first half, and it has made itself into a national dialog. I mean, half the anti Obama people think he was sworn into the Senate on a Quaran.


by NY Writer on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 12:07:57 AM EST
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It is to be hoped that they get it the habit of hanging  up political New Yorker covers:)


"For what do we live, but to make sport for our neighbors, and laugh at them in our turn?"
by redstocking on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 12:25:27 PM EST
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yeah. (2.00 / 1)

my first reaction was a negative one....

but then i saw the reaction in the blogosphere and thought get a grip.  hell - someone for 5 minutes had a diary here blaming the jews on this.  really - its a cartoon.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 12:05:00 AM EST

That was a sick, sick diary. (2.00 / 1)

Glad someone pulled it, and I hope that person was banned.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 01:07:02 AM EST
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it got pulled right as i was reading it - so i didnt get to read the comments.  but i noticed that the diary decrying that one was also pulled.  strange.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 01:10:36 AM EST
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Oh, I had to run off while that (2.00 / 1)

drama was going on. I didn't even see the one that was a response to the Jew-bashing diary. There's something terribly wrong with a lot of people on teh intertubes.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 01:21:34 AM EST
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true that. (2.00 / 1)

but not sure if he was banned?  i clicked on his handle and its still there.  don't know if it disappears or not - but it was still there after the diary was pulled.  and the sicko was defending his diary in that other one too.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 01:27:40 AM EST
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Wah, wah, wah. They wanted a shitstorm. THey were BEGGING for one. They got it. I have no sympathy towards them. And while those for whom this is simple satire will forget all about it by next week, it will forever remain emblematic for people who don't see anything particularly funny about it beyond the cartoonish style.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 12:10:01 AM EST

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By that, I don't mean me, mind you. I'm talking about the people who still believe it and don't particularly care what the people at the New Yorker think.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 12:12:06 AM EST
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sadly there are those here who HR posts decrying it and racism


by zerosumgame on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 12:57:09 AM EST
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You'd be surprised (or maybe you wouldn't) at the number of "it's funny cause it's true" reactions I've seen.  If the makers of the Hillary nutcracker had been smart enough to say "it's satire", then they'd have been in the clear - I mean cmon, it's not like anyone actually thinks that she cracks walnuts with her legs.

Besides - someone else said it already - they were literally asking for this.  I get so tired of this "who, me?" response when they do something to provoke a reaction.

Sy Hirsch will always have a job - it's not by the good graces of the New Yorker that he gets to publish.  I can read him online anyway.


If you hold a cat by the tail you learn things you cannot learn any other way.
by Jess81 on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 12:17:54 AM EST

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I have had this Bush as Alfred E. Newman picture on my wall for years.
I hope it drives my Republican colleagues crazy, because it's not satire - it's the frigging TRUTH, baby! The New Yorker cover might end up on Republican's walls but only because they are stupid and don't understand true satire which is telling the story of their stupidity. I will welcome the chance to try to explain it to them over and over an over again.

Bush Undercover


"But not me personally were those cheers for"
by QTG on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 12:19:55 AM EST

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I think some of you may be missing the point but so be it.  It's our New Yorker and we love it, mostly.  The Republicans who have latched on to this are going to be sorry when they wake up and the progressives who shouted it down in howls of derision will probably prefer to forget about their reaction altogether in time.  I can't imagine the New Yorker actually intended to provoke a maelstrom of controversy, it's not their way.

And yet...  Their busy little sardonic fingers never rest, bless 'em.


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 12:21:50 AM EST

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Satire.  It's supposed to make you think.  It's not slapstick, lowbrow humor.  People who don't think won't get it.  And they probably won't be voting for Obama anyway.


by JustJennifer on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 02:03:35 AM EST

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It's absolutely indistinguishable from real life hits on Obama.  There's a poster of him doctored to look like Osama bin Laden that says "America, you want Change?  Just wait."

It's not effective satire if someone's actually saying it in earnest.


If you hold a cat by the tail you learn things you cannot learn any other way.
by Jess81 on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 01:51:08 PM EST
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The satire is about people who actually believe that crap, not the Obamas.


by JustJennifer on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 01:53:51 PM EST
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I know, but it's stupid because you can already see the exact same thing in earnest.  If there are people who already believe it then it's poor satire.


If you hold a cat by the tail you learn things you cannot learn any other way.
by Jess81 on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 02:06:17 PM EST
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Nick Anderson, who also won a Pulitzer for his cartooning and serves as president of the American Association of Editorial cartoonists, agreed with Telnaes that the cartoon was intended as satire. But he also had some sharp words for the New Yorker cartoonist.

"I think, as a piece of satire, it utterly fails," Anderson told Politico. "The artist and the New Yorker editor [David Remnick] have claimed that it is so over the top that it is clearly absurd. But it's not sufficiently over the top. It is merely depicting what the whisper campaigns have been suggesting."


But Anderson argued that cartoonists have the responsibility not just to be provocative, but also to be clear. He reiterated that this particular cartoon is not clear enough in its satire to be effective.

"There is a constant and natural tension in the creation of satire," Anderson said. "The delicate art of satire is suffocated by heavy-handed elucidation. But, if the satirist fails to make the point clearly enough, the whole enterprise backfires in unintended misinterpretation."

That about sums it up for me. It's clear to the editor of the New Yorker and to the cartoonist what their intention was. They just failed at their intended goal because of ham handed and crude execution of their bit of 'satire'.

This image will take on a life of it's own quite the opposite of what was intended and not just for the mouth breathers who were never voting for Obama anyway. It will add to the background noise that affects the low information voter and the media will aid in the negative effects by stripping the image of it's context.


by hankg on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 07:23:20 AM EST

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I think the problem is that some people are truly still undecided.  And this cover is not so over the top that those people will say "Hey, they are making fun of the myth that Obama's a Muslim."  Those people are going to say "Hey, Obama IS a Muslim!  I knew it!"  And whether or not they would have voted for him regardless, now they can use the Muslim thing as justification.  And it's ridiculous that being a Muslim is seen as a bad thing.  Stupid covers like this are contributing to this idea.


by ProgressiveDL on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 08:05:02 AM EST


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